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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/west-virginia/charleston-town-center#comment-142274</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live downtown in Charleston, and one of the things I really like about Charleston is having a decent mall, a movie theater, concert venues, bars, etc all within a few blocks of home.

This mall is doing remarkably well for it&#039;s age.  Many if not most vacancies in recent years have been due to bankruptcy of the larger chain, while the CTC locations were profitable. Bennigan&#039;s, Bombay, Steve and Barry&#039;s, Montgomery Wards a few years ago are examples.

Locals have been saying that the mall is dying for 15 years, but it&#039;s still here and mostly full.  People use the fact that 40% of the food court (which was never really full, it was too big) and what was the 4th anchor are now offices as an example of the mall doing poorly, but I see it as evolving into being more like what large urban developments built in the last 10 years look like.  They virtually all include retail, office, a hotel, residential space (the only thing CTC doesn&#039;t have).  Hundreds of people working in offices in the mall has been great for the retail, particularly the food court.  Weekday lunches are packed.

I didn&#039;t understand the previous commenter who said there&#039;s nowhere to eat.  Even with 2 table service restaurant spaces and one food court slot vacant, there are 4 table service (Outback, Chili&#039;s, Tidewater and Chop House restaurants), 9 quick service restaurants in the food court, and 2 pretzel places, Starbucks, and 2 cookie stores for coffee and snacks.  What more do you want?

I watched the moderate remodel for the mall&#039;s 20th anniversary several years ago, and saw why the waterfall had to go.  Water always splashed onto the 2nd floor behind the waterfall (always had to be roped off with wet floor signs, brick floor tiles coming up) and had leaked into the structure on the 3rd floor. 20 years of water had rusted the structural steel badly.  It could have been fixed, but it would still have been a loud, messy, expensive maintenance headache.

I don&#039;t find the decor that dated. It&#039;s a little dark on the 1st floor, but 2nd and 3rd (food court) are bright.  I like the brick floor tile that looks like the brick sidewalks in much of the rest of downtown. 

Most store fronts are current or refreshed.  In the last 2 years, GNC, Lids, Hot Topic, Spencers, Bath and Body Works,  FYE, Buckle, Kid Country Toys, Sbarro and maybe more tenants have remodeled or moved to a new either larger or better space. Several new chains or concepts have opened (Pink, Aerie, Salad Creations). That&#039;s a lot of investment on the part of the retailers.

The basic structure is dated.  As one commenter said, it&#039;s unfortunate that it&#039;s inward facing, surrounded by parking structures on 2 sides, but that was the thinking 30 years ago when it was planned.  At least the anchors all have sidewalk facing entrances (not that they get much use) and the east entrance in particular has a street presence, with outdoor seating for Chili&#039;s and Tidewater, and outside entrances for Outback and the vacant restaurant space.

I see this mall doing well for a long time, if for no other reason than the fact that the only thing that could kill it (a new development luring the anchors away) in unlikely.  Given the demographics here (relatively small and shrinking, as well as low median income) it&#039;s unlikely that a developer would make (or could get financing for) the huge investment that it would take, given that it take years of hugely expensive blasting to level out a big enough flat area to build on a large scale.

The developer of some of the big box shops on US 119 last year announced a new development in South Charleston that they said would being some chains that aren&#039;t currently in the area.  I took this to mean an Old Navy, Bed Bath and Beyond, Best Buy, etc were likely.  This is stalled due to the recession (not being able to get pre-construction leases signed prevents them from getting financing).  That will hurt if it is ever built, but I don&#039;t see anyone building the type and scale of development that would lure Macy&#039;s, Sears and Penney&#039;s away anytime soon.

Sorry to write so much.  I know that the original article here and many commenters have said that this mall looks fairly healthy.  It&#039;s just a pet peeve of mine that so many locals constantly complain about the mall, say that it&#039;s dying, that $1.75 is too much for parking (huh? really? what are you going to spent inside?) or most laughably, that downtown or the mall specifically is dangerous!  When I hear that I know that some racial issues are at work.  

Overall, CTC is one of the few examples of an almost 30 year old urban retail development that&#039;s still successful that I can think of anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live downtown in Charleston, and one of the things I really like about Charleston is having a decent mall, a movie theater, concert venues, bars, etc all within a few blocks of home.</p>
<p>This mall is doing remarkably well for it&#8217;s age.  Many if not most vacancies in recent years have been due to bankruptcy of the larger chain, while the CTC locations were profitable. Bennigan&#8217;s, Bombay, Steve and Barry&#8217;s, Montgomery Wards a few years ago are examples.</p>
<p>Locals have been saying that the mall is dying for 15 years, but it&#8217;s still here and mostly full.  People use the fact that 40% of the food court (which was never really full, it was too big) and what was the 4th anchor are now offices as an example of the mall doing poorly, but I see it as evolving into being more like what large urban developments built in the last 10 years look like.  They virtually all include retail, office, a hotel, residential space (the only thing CTC doesn&#8217;t have).  Hundreds of people working in offices in the mall has been great for the retail, particularly the food court.  Weekday lunches are packed.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t understand the previous commenter who said there&#8217;s nowhere to eat.  Even with 2 table service restaurant spaces and one food court slot vacant, there are 4 table service (Outback, Chili&#8217;s, Tidewater and Chop House restaurants), 9 quick service restaurants in the food court, and 2 pretzel places, Starbucks, and 2 cookie stores for coffee and snacks.  What more do you want?</p>
<p>I watched the moderate remodel for the mall&#8217;s 20th anniversary several years ago, and saw why the waterfall had to go.  Water always splashed onto the 2nd floor behind the waterfall (always had to be roped off with wet floor signs, brick floor tiles coming up) and had leaked into the structure on the 3rd floor. 20 years of water had rusted the structural steel badly.  It could have been fixed, but it would still have been a loud, messy, expensive maintenance headache.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t find the decor that dated. It&#8217;s a little dark on the 1st floor, but 2nd and 3rd (food court) are bright.  I like the brick floor tile that looks like the brick sidewalks in much of the rest of downtown. </p>
<p>Most store fronts are current or refreshed.  In the last 2 years, GNC, Lids, Hot Topic, Spencers, Bath and Body Works,  FYE, Buckle, Kid Country Toys, Sbarro and maybe more tenants have remodeled or moved to a new either larger or better space. Several new chains or concepts have opened (Pink, Aerie, Salad Creations). That&#8217;s a lot of investment on the part of the retailers.</p>
<p>The basic structure is dated.  As one commenter said, it&#8217;s unfortunate that it&#8217;s inward facing, surrounded by parking structures on 2 sides, but that was the thinking 30 years ago when it was planned.  At least the anchors all have sidewalk facing entrances (not that they get much use) and the east entrance in particular has a street presence, with outdoor seating for Chili&#8217;s and Tidewater, and outside entrances for Outback and the vacant restaurant space.</p>
<p>I see this mall doing well for a long time, if for no other reason than the fact that the only thing that could kill it (a new development luring the anchors away) in unlikely.  Given the demographics here (relatively small and shrinking, as well as low median income) it&#8217;s unlikely that a developer would make (or could get financing for) the huge investment that it would take, given that it take years of hugely expensive blasting to level out a big enough flat area to build on a large scale.</p>
<p>The developer of some of the big box shops on US 119 last year announced a new development in South Charleston that they said would being some chains that aren&#8217;t currently in the area.  I took this to mean an Old Navy, Bed Bath and Beyond, Best Buy, etc were likely.  This is stalled due to the recession (not being able to get pre-construction leases signed prevents them from getting financing).  That will hurt if it is ever built, but I don&#8217;t see anyone building the type and scale of development that would lure Macy&#8217;s, Sears and Penney&#8217;s away anytime soon.</p>
<p>Sorry to write so much.  I know that the original article here and many commenters have said that this mall looks fairly healthy.  It&#8217;s just a pet peeve of mine that so many locals constantly complain about the mall, say that it&#8217;s dying, that $1.75 is too much for parking (huh? really? what are you going to spent inside?) or most laughably, that downtown or the mall specifically is dangerous!  When I hear that I know that some racial issues are at work.  </p>
<p>Overall, CTC is one of the few examples of an almost 30 year old urban retail development that&#8217;s still successful that I can think of anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/west-virginia/charleston-town-center#comment-134002</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary, 

THe Steve and Barry&#039;s was quite a large site, once having been a Best Products, then an Elder-Beerman.  It looks like they&#039;re cutting it into little pieces; there is currently something called &quot;Real Deal&quot; -- a sort of general store, apparently local merchants -- in one third of the space, an inflatable center for the kids called &quot;Jump Street&quot; in the next third, and some sort of pool gear shop, again local merchants, in the final section.  The shoe repair shop beside Penneys went out recently, and has been replaced by a local shop called &quot;THe Salvage Yard,&quot; which looks like goth or hiphop stuff.  The Sleep Number Mattress place on the first floor is also gone, replaced by, you guessed it, some locals selling woodcrafts and similar folksy items.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, </p>
<p>THe Steve and Barry&#8217;s was quite a large site, once having been a Best Products, then an Elder-Beerman.  It looks like they&#8217;re cutting it into little pieces; there is currently something called &#8220;Real Deal&#8221; &#8212; a sort of general store, apparently local merchants &#8212; in one third of the space, an inflatable center for the kids called &#8220;Jump Street&#8221; in the next third, and some sort of pool gear shop, again local merchants, in the final section.  The shoe repair shop beside Penneys went out recently, and has been replaced by a local shop called &#8220;THe Salvage Yard,&#8221; which looks like goth or hiphop stuff.  The Sleep Number Mattress place on the first floor is also gone, replaced by, you guessed it, some locals selling woodcrafts and similar folksy items.</p>
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		<title>By: TenPoundHammer</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/west-virginia/charleston-town-center#comment-125667</link>
		<dc:creator>TenPoundHammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S&amp;B&#039;s wasn&#039;t very big, maybe 50-60K.

Also, I&#039;ve heard this mall once had a BEST Products showroom. Is this true?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S&amp;B&#8217;s wasn&#8217;t very big, maybe 50-60K.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;ve heard this mall once had a BEST Products showroom. Is this true?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/west-virginia/charleston-town-center#comment-124301</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, how big was the former Steve &amp; Barry&#039;s? That could be the home of a new anchor store, perhaps an upscale retailer like Nordstrom. I don&#039;t know much in the way of demographics in that area but if that mall can support a lot of midscale to upscale stores then it can probably do well there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, how big was the former Steve &amp; Barry&#8217;s? That could be the home of a new anchor store, perhaps an upscale retailer like Nordstrom. I don&#8217;t know much in the way of demographics in that area but if that mall can support a lot of midscale to upscale stores then it can probably do well there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/west-virginia/charleston-town-center#comment-124208</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerning the closure of the waterfall at CTC, I&#039;d heard from a store manager that the occasional work of pranksters, squirting liquid soap into the waterfall, assisted in the decision to shut it down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerning the closure of the waterfall at CTC, I&#8217;d heard from a store manager that the occasional work of pranksters, squirting liquid soap into the waterfall, assisted in the decision to shut it down.</p>
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		<title>By: DVDM</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/west-virginia/charleston-town-center#comment-123339</link>
		<dc:creator>DVDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This mall is far from dead and is actually great to go to in the morning hours. I&#039;ve been aound the US and seen some &quot;dead&quot; malls. Believe me this mall hasn&#039;t done alot to help itself compete againts the strip malls but it fills a niche and will continue for someitme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This mall is far from dead and is actually great to go to in the morning hours. I&#8217;ve been aound the US and seen some &#8220;dead&#8221; malls. Believe me this mall hasn&#8217;t done alot to help itself compete againts the strip malls but it fills a niche and will continue for someitme.</p>
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		<title>By: JJJ</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/west-virginia/charleston-town-center#comment-112583</link>
		<dc:creator>JJJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem began when the mall owners turned half of the food court into office space and placed that stupid Starbucks in what used to be great center court. I heard a rumor once  the waterfall was done away with at the request of Starbucks fearing it would distract their customers. Does anyone know if that is true? I guess the former Steve and Barry&#039;s will be the next space to be converted to offices. Heaven forbid they would put in more  stores. Bring back Elder-Beerman or how about a Belk, Peebles or Dawahares. I hate to CTC go the way of the Dodo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem began when the mall owners turned half of the food court into office space and placed that stupid Starbucks in what used to be great center court. I heard a rumor once  the waterfall was done away with at the request of Starbucks fearing it would distract their customers. Does anyone know if that is true? I guess the former Steve and Barry&#8217;s will be the next space to be converted to offices. Heaven forbid they would put in more  stores. Bring back Elder-Beerman or how about a Belk, Peebles or Dawahares. I hate to CTC go the way of the Dodo.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/west-virginia/charleston-town-center#comment-90362</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sister is a manager of one of the shops in the Town Center, so I&#039;m generally in the know on any big changes. Recently the Steve and Barry&#039;s closed, of course, along with the rest of the chain; however, the Carlton Cards has also shut down, and the Ritz Camera is awaiting the results of that chain&#039;s bankruptcy.  A dentist office that had moved in between Family Christian Bookstores and Macy&#039;s bailed in the last few weeks, leaving the mall for greener pastures in Teays Valley.  The huge FYE (formerly Saturday Matinee/Record Town, and National Record Mart before that) changed position about a year ago and downsized tremendously, being no more than a quarter of its previous size. While this mall may not be &quot;dead&quot;, it is very far from its glory days (which began their real erosion when the waterfall was removed ) and one can hardly see any changes for the better in the immediate future, especially with the increasing competition from the Southridge stores on US 119.    Sis believes it will eventually become all office space; the third level has already had about half its space converted to offices for the Senior Citizens Services, eliminating several restaurants and the Aladdins Palace arcade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sister is a manager of one of the shops in the Town Center, so I&#8217;m generally in the know on any big changes. Recently the Steve and Barry&#8217;s closed, of course, along with the rest of the chain; however, the Carlton Cards has also shut down, and the Ritz Camera is awaiting the results of that chain&#8217;s bankruptcy.  A dentist office that had moved in between Family Christian Bookstores and Macy&#8217;s bailed in the last few weeks, leaving the mall for greener pastures in Teays Valley.  The huge FYE (formerly Saturday Matinee/Record Town, and National Record Mart before that) changed position about a year ago and downsized tremendously, being no more than a quarter of its previous size. While this mall may not be &#8220;dead&#8221;, it is very far from its glory days (which began their real erosion when the waterfall was removed ) and one can hardly see any changes for the better in the immediate future, especially with the increasing competition from the Southridge stores on US 119.    Sis believes it will eventually become all office space; the third level has already had about half its space converted to offices for the Senior Citizens Services, eliminating several restaurants and the Aladdins Palace arcade.</p>
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		<title>By: zdavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>zdavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usually, the times I&#039;ve been there, its *very* crowded and busy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually, the times I&#8217;ve been there, its *very* crowded and busy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonah Norason</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/west-virginia/charleston-town-center#comment-72007</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonah Norason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who said this mall was dead? Remember, Labelscar is not exclusively about dead malls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who said this mall was dead? Remember, Labelscar is not exclusively about dead malls.</p>
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