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		<title>By: Jeff Jue</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/uncategorized/lifestyle-centers-failing#comment-104438</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting take on the retail and mixed use center is a very ambitious (and so far successful) project in my city of Lafayette, Louisiana called River ranch.  

Like lifestyle centers, it too has shopped located on a citylike series of streets and parking lots, but what sets apart River ranch is that it is only a small part of an entire planned community.  Instead of the shops being the main draw, the entire area is a pedestrian friendly citylike area, with themed neighborhoods, upscale apartments and living spaces like in the French quarter, and a large central gathering area and convention center. This all works together as a whole instead of trying to shoehorn a bunch of stores into a loosely gathered complex. That is why it works well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting take on the retail and mixed use center is a very ambitious (and so far successful) project in my city of Lafayette, Louisiana called River ranch.  </p>
<p>Like lifestyle centers, it too has shopped located on a citylike series of streets and parking lots, but what sets apart River ranch is that it is only a small part of an entire planned community.  Instead of the shops being the main draw, the entire area is a pedestrian friendly citylike area, with themed neighborhoods, upscale apartments and living spaces like in the French quarter, and a large central gathering area and convention center. This all works together as a whole instead of trying to shoehorn a bunch of stores into a loosely gathered complex. That is why it works well.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel fife</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/uncategorized/lifestyle-centers-failing#comment-79804</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel fife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KB TOYS IS CLOSING ALL STORES!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/uncategorized/lifestyle-centers-failing#comment-78819</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt: Wal-Mart isn&#039;t for people who like to shop. It&#039;s for people who like to &quot;buy things.&quot; Shopping is a leisure activity, wheras Wal-Mart represents a need activity. People need stuff and don&#039;t want to spend money on said stuff. Hence, Wal-Mart. But, do people go to Wal-Mart just to mosey around and shop? 

It&#039;s why so many lifestyle centers, mixed use centers and many malls have attempted to go upscale, in order to get the people who like to shop, as the money-saving crowds have gone to Wal-Mart and Target and the rest. 

Sean...c&#039;mon! It&#039;s Newsweek! They researched an article, presented facts and moved on. Just because your opinion of malls and lifestyle center developments don&#039;t match with the facts presented in the article doesn&#039;t exactly warrant a fecal matter reference!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt: Wal-Mart isn&#8217;t for people who like to shop. It&#8217;s for people who like to &#8220;buy things.&#8221; Shopping is a leisure activity, wheras Wal-Mart represents a need activity. People need stuff and don&#8217;t want to spend money on said stuff. Hence, Wal-Mart. But, do people go to Wal-Mart just to mosey around and shop? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s why so many lifestyle centers, mixed use centers and many malls have attempted to go upscale, in order to get the people who like to shop, as the money-saving crowds have gone to Wal-Mart and Target and the rest. </p>
<p>Sean&#8230;c&#8217;mon! It&#8217;s Newsweek! They researched an article, presented facts and moved on. Just because your opinion of malls and lifestyle center developments don&#8217;t match with the facts presented in the article doesn&#8217;t exactly warrant a fecal matter reference!</p>
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		<title>By: SEAN</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/uncategorized/lifestyle-centers-failing#comment-78126</link>
		<dc:creator>SEAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Newsweek article is nothing but a load of crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Newsweek article is nothing but a load of crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt from WI</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/uncategorized/lifestyle-centers-failing#comment-78059</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt from WI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Due to the kind of climate we have here in WI, the lifestyle center really hasn&#039;t caught wind.  So far, we only have two examples of &#039;lifestyle centers&#039; here.  One is in the Madison area, called Greenway Station, the other is the refurbished Bayshore Town Center (former Bayshore Mall) in the Milwaukee area.  Both&#039;ve had an increasing amount of vacancies just in the past year alone.

While I haven&#039;t read any books on Gruen, who is literally the granddaddy of the enclosed mall (making it all the more important that I DO read them someday), and despite his &#039;invention&#039; sort of going off the deep end in the 1970s-1980s with the over-building of malls of this ilk, I still feel his philosophy clicked, even though the &#039;entertainment&#039; and &#039;living&#039; elements didn&#039;t see fruition like the &#039;shopping convenience / enclosed common area&#039; part of his vision did throughout the &#039;mall boom&#039; years. I mean, heck, we had little 10-15 store-anchored-by-Shopko (or PrangeWay )-and/or-Kohl&#039;s deals up here back in the early 1980s, cropping up like weeds in small towns that probably could only support one or two big stores...heaven forbid a small regional enclosed mall between them.  Even in these smaller concepts of the traditional enclosed suburban mall, the concept of a gathering place for the townsfolk....the center of regional and national commerce playing host to a center for socializing and entertainment....that still came through.

That&#039;s something that lifestyle centers are TRYING to replicate, albeit without a roof, but it&#039;s just not working.  They&#039;re not like other outdoor concepts like Oakbrook Court or Old Orchard in IL, or how Mayfair in the Milwaukee area used to be....those malls are more akin to enclosed malls, just with no roof, and bearing courtyard areas for entertainment.  Lifestyle centers just plain DON&#039;T WORK.  Some people just abhor malls, especially the clientele that shop these sorts of centers and their tenants within them.  Not that ALL people in that demographic are this way, of course.......not wanting to paint a broad stroke on an entire group.

The only reason stores like Walmart are still kicking today is because they crushed all the competition that were the small shops that once dotted all these enclosed malls (especially the smaller 10-20 store community focused ones in towns of 10,000-25,000 population counts) with their rock-bottom prices and literally zero overhead costs, not to forget a streamlined distribution model....the savings from all thus being passed onto consumers.

I give those guys that, but not the fact that they dealt a blow to many-a national retail chain.

I think it&#039;ll all swing back around someday.  Soon people will even get tired of these big boxes, along with lifestyle centers, and may want things to return to simpler ideals in retailing.  Like how the grandparents used to shop....downtown, in small shops that lined the street, fronted by large department stores in many cases.

I think this is why I keep following retail news and trends, along with blogs like this.  Retail is an exciting....if nerve-wracking thing to follow with.  Yet it is always changing and evolving.  Concepts have been tried and failed in the past, and lifestyle centers are just another attempt of a different concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due to the kind of climate we have here in WI, the lifestyle center really hasn&#8217;t caught wind.  So far, we only have two examples of &#8216;lifestyle centers&#8217; here.  One is in the Madison area, called Greenway Station, the other is the refurbished Bayshore Town Center (former Bayshore Mall) in the Milwaukee area.  Both&#8217;ve had an increasing amount of vacancies just in the past year alone.</p>
<p>While I haven&#8217;t read any books on Gruen, who is literally the granddaddy of the enclosed mall (making it all the more important that I DO read them someday), and despite his &#8216;invention&#8217; sort of going off the deep end in the 1970s-1980s with the over-building of malls of this ilk, I still feel his philosophy clicked, even though the &#8216;entertainment&#8217; and &#8216;living&#8217; elements didn&#8217;t see fruition like the &#8217;shopping convenience / enclosed common area&#8217; part of his vision did throughout the &#8216;mall boom&#8217; years. I mean, heck, we had little 10-15 store-anchored-by-Shopko (or PrangeWay )-and/or-Kohl&#8217;s deals up here back in the early 1980s, cropping up like weeds in small towns that probably could only support one or two big stores&#8230;heaven forbid a small regional enclosed mall between them.  Even in these smaller concepts of the traditional enclosed suburban mall, the concept of a gathering place for the townsfolk&#8230;.the center of regional and national commerce playing host to a center for socializing and entertainment&#8230;.that still came through.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s something that lifestyle centers are TRYING to replicate, albeit without a roof, but it&#8217;s just not working.  They&#8217;re not like other outdoor concepts like Oakbrook Court or Old Orchard in IL, or how Mayfair in the Milwaukee area used to be&#8230;.those malls are more akin to enclosed malls, just with no roof, and bearing courtyard areas for entertainment.  Lifestyle centers just plain DON&#8217;T WORK.  Some people just abhor malls, especially the clientele that shop these sorts of centers and their tenants within them.  Not that ALL people in that demographic are this way, of course&#8230;&#8230;.not wanting to paint a broad stroke on an entire group.</p>
<p>The only reason stores like Walmart are still kicking today is because they crushed all the competition that were the small shops that once dotted all these enclosed malls (especially the smaller 10-20 store community focused ones in towns of 10,000-25,000 population counts) with their rock-bottom prices and literally zero overhead costs, not to forget a streamlined distribution model&#8230;.the savings from all thus being passed onto consumers.</p>
<p>I give those guys that, but not the fact that they dealt a blow to many-a national retail chain.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;ll all swing back around someday.  Soon people will even get tired of these big boxes, along with lifestyle centers, and may want things to return to simpler ideals in retailing.  Like how the grandparents used to shop&#8230;.downtown, in small shops that lined the street, fronted by large department stores in many cases.</p>
<p>I think this is why I keep following retail news and trends, along with blogs like this.  Retail is an exciting&#8230;.if nerve-wracking thing to follow with.  Yet it is always changing and evolving.  Concepts have been tried and failed in the past, and lifestyle centers are just another attempt of a different concept.</p>
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		<title>By: KA Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/uncategorized/lifestyle-centers-failing#comment-78051</link>
		<dc:creator>KA Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article on the lack of foot traffic in lifestyle centers is on the mark.  The Shoppes at River Crossing is too typical of what the article alludes to. What is there to attract anyone other than the individual stores and no urban gangs hanging around the center? Older people are complaining about walking outdoors from store to store in inclement weather.  The local economy has turned extremely sour in this lower-middle-class town.  An upscale lifestyle center in Macon is too akin to putting a Neiman-Marcus in a small Oklahoma farming town.  The average indoor mall has something for everyone and a nice warm place to sit and rest.  Not so in an upscale, outdoor shopping facility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article on the lack of foot traffic in lifestyle centers is on the mark.  The Shoppes at River Crossing is too typical of what the article alludes to. What is there to attract anyone other than the individual stores and no urban gangs hanging around the center? Older people are complaining about walking outdoors from store to store in inclement weather.  The local economy has turned extremely sour in this lower-middle-class town.  An upscale lifestyle center in Macon is too akin to putting a Neiman-Marcus in a small Oklahoma farming town.  The average indoor mall has something for everyone and a nice warm place to sit and rest.  Not so in an upscale, outdoor shopping facility.</p>
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		<title>By: BIGMallrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>BIGMallrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Optimistic retail, I call it. Banking on the &quot;new&quot; factor. Shoppers always follow new, but do they return?
Lifestyle centers? I go from the parking lot, fight cars in the street, hit my store of interest, then return to the car. It&#039;s an automobile-focused shopping center.
An enclosed mall? I enjoy the bounty of a capitalist economy... all out there for me to see (and buy). A pedestrian-focused shopping center.
But, what do I know?
Victor Gruen was right, but sometimes, arrogance gets the best of us. 
Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Optimistic retail, I call it. Banking on the &#8220;new&#8221; factor. Shoppers always follow new, but do they return?<br />
Lifestyle centers? I go from the parking lot, fight cars in the street, hit my store of interest, then return to the car. It&#8217;s an automobile-focused shopping center.<br />
An enclosed mall? I enjoy the bounty of a capitalist economy&#8230; all out there for me to see (and buy). A pedestrian-focused shopping center.<br />
But, what do I know?<br />
Victor Gruen was right, but sometimes, arrogance gets the best of us.<br />
Scott</p>
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		<title>By: dan-onymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan-onymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another example of an &quot;enclosed strip mall&quot; could be the small Carbon Plaza Mall just outside Lehighton, PA, in the Poconos...it&#039;s anchored by a Giant supermarket and a drug store (Eckerd, I think), with about a dozen stores in between (Deb shop, Hallmark, a hair salon, an old-school record store, a Chinese restaurant, and a few more). Attached (but not accessible from the mall) are a movie theater and Big Lots (which I think was originally a local department store).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another example of an &#8220;enclosed strip mall&#8221; could be the small Carbon Plaza Mall just outside Lehighton, PA, in the Poconos&#8230;it&#8217;s anchored by a Giant supermarket and a drug store (Eckerd, I think), with about a dozen stores in between (Deb shop, Hallmark, a hair salon, an old-school record store, a Chinese restaurant, and a few more). Attached (but not accessible from the mall) are a movie theater and Big Lots (which I think was originally a local department store).</p>
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		<title>By: AceJay</title>
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		<dc:creator>AceJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marketfair is just a small, one level mall that contains your typical stores you&#039;d find in lifestyle centers, but indoors, and it&#039;s been there for at least 20 years, with a 10 screen theater. It mostly compliments the much larger Quakerbridge Mall but it doesn&#039;t get a good amount of traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marketfair is just a small, one level mall that contains your typical stores you&#8217;d find in lifestyle centers, but indoors, and it&#8217;s been there for at least 20 years, with a 10 screen theater. It mostly compliments the much larger Quakerbridge Mall but it doesn&#8217;t get a good amount of traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonah, they *do* have enclosed strip malls in a few places. There&#039;s one called Westborn in Dearborn, Michigan that&#039;s exactly what you&#039;re thinking of: Kroger at one end, Marshalls at the other, several other &#039;normal&#039; stores in between like Payless, Dots, Fashion Bug, Staples, CVS Pharmacy, a restaurant, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonah, they *do* have enclosed strip malls in a few places. There&#8217;s one called Westborn in Dearborn, Michigan that&#8217;s exactly what you&#8217;re thinking of: Kroger at one end, Marshalls at the other, several other &#8216;normal&#8217; stores in between like Payless, Dots, Fashion Bug, Staples, CVS Pharmacy, a restaurant, etc.</p>
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