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		<title>By: Jonas</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/retail-stores/merry-christmas-from-labelscar#comment-65848</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, don&#039;t much care for Macy&#039;s takeovers of every chain they can grab. But noting the above photos... Wanamaker&#039;s of Philadelphia, later Hecht&#039;s, then Lord &amp; Taylor? This store, now a Macy&#039;s, contains the world&#039;s largest functional pipe organ, over 28,000 pipes in over 450 ranks (sets). And Macy&#039;s has done one good thing - they&#039;ve continued the daily organ recitals, and assisted in maintaining the instrument. In my own city, however (Seattle) Macy&#039;s swallowed up the old local favorite, the Bon Marche. The malls just aren&#039;t the same without Bon Marche&#039;s kind of class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, don&#8217;t much care for Macy&#8217;s takeovers of every chain they can grab. But noting the above photos&#8230; Wanamaker&#8217;s of Philadelphia, later Hecht&#8217;s, then Lord &amp; Taylor? This store, now a Macy&#8217;s, contains the world&#8217;s largest functional pipe organ, over 28,000 pipes in over 450 ranks (sets). And Macy&#8217;s has done one good thing &#8211; they&#8217;ve continued the daily organ recitals, and assisted in maintaining the instrument. In my own city, however (Seattle) Macy&#8217;s swallowed up the old local favorite, the Bon Marche. The malls just aren&#8217;t the same without Bon Marche&#8217;s kind of class.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 04:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice Christmas pictures! And about Macy&#039;s and Fields and Kaufmanns, and Filene&#039;s...what&#039;s in a name, I dont care where i shop as long as it&#039;s a mall, not an outdoor, outside mall, heck, that&#039;s a glorified strip mall, a mall should be 2 or more anchors like Macy&#039;s or Belks, enclosed, a food court and parking around it, not viceversa, by the way, I think that Macy&#039;s is just as good as The Jones Store ever was, heck, even Marshall Fields was more gansta than Jones Store ever was, i dont miss them, like they say, a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet. Just give it a rest! Macy&#039;s is here to stay, whether we like it :) or dont :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice Christmas pictures! And about Macy&#8217;s and Fields and Kaufmanns, and Filene&#8217;s&#8230;what&#8217;s in a name, I dont care where i shop as long as it&#8217;s a mall, not an outdoor, outside mall, heck, that&#8217;s a glorified strip mall, a mall should be 2 or more anchors like Macy&#8217;s or Belks, enclosed, a food court and parking around it, not viceversa, by the way, I think that Macy&#8217;s is just as good as The Jones Store ever was, heck, even Marshall Fields was more gansta than Jones Store ever was, i dont miss them, like they say, a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet. Just give it a rest! Macy&#8217;s is here to stay, whether we like it <img src='http://www.labelscar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  or dont <img src='http://www.labelscar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a treat to see a picture of The Globe Store in Scranton. Like everyone else, seeing a pic like this brings back such memories. There is NOTHING like classic downtown department stores.

Now I am aching to go to Santaland on the 5th floor of The Globe, pick up lunch with my Grandmother at The Charl-Mont restaurant and check out the books in the book department, which was conveniently located next to the candy counter! 
Also, it makes me ponder just what the series of mysterious &quot;ding, ding, ding&quot;s you would hear from time to time on the sales floor.

I can picture the gold-colored backs with the big script &quot;G&quot; in Globe and the smaller print underneath &quot;A Division of John Wanamaker&quot;.  Yet another classic store long gone.

Awesome memories! Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a treat to see a picture of The Globe Store in Scranton. Like everyone else, seeing a pic like this brings back such memories. There is NOTHING like classic downtown department stores.</p>
<p>Now I am aching to go to Santaland on the 5th floor of The Globe, pick up lunch with my Grandmother at The Charl-Mont restaurant and check out the books in the book department, which was conveniently located next to the candy counter!<br />
Also, it makes me ponder just what the series of mysterious &#8220;ding, ding, ding&#8221;s you would hear from time to time on the sales floor.</p>
<p>I can picture the gold-colored backs with the big script &#8220;G&#8221; in Globe and the smaller print underneath &#8220;A Division of John Wanamaker&#8221;.  Yet another classic store long gone.</p>
<p>Awesome memories! Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: RR Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>RR Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Rich&#039;s pictures almost made me cry.  When I was going to school in Atlanta in the early 80&#039;s, I was luck enough to know a member of the Rich family.  I can&#039;t imagine what she would have thought of the demise of the downtown store, if she lived to see it. I bought my first cd player there around 1981 or 82.  Thanks for the beautiful holiday shots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rich&#8217;s pictures almost made me cry.  When I was going to school in Atlanta in the early 80&#8217;s, I was luck enough to know a member of the Rich family.  I can&#8217;t imagine what she would have thought of the demise of the downtown store, if she lived to see it. I bought my first cd player there around 1981 or 82.  Thanks for the beautiful holiday shots.</p>
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		<title>By: danroman</title>
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		<dc:creator>danroman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the one thing that&#039;ll kill most lifestyle centers will be high gas prices. When gas hits te $4 mark, I can be sure that most people will not drive to one of these centers and then drive around it to park in front of a store. I&#039;m sure there are some lifestyle centers that are built in a way that people can walk around them, but for the strip-style ones they&#039;ll hurt from the gas prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the one thing that&#8217;ll kill most lifestyle centers will be high gas prices. When gas hits te $4 mark, I can be sure that most people will not drive to one of these centers and then drive around it to park in front of a store. I&#8217;m sure there are some lifestyle centers that are built in a way that people can walk around them, but for the strip-style ones they&#8217;ll hurt from the gas prices.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was obvious by the late 70s, that malls were becoming standardized in selection (the same stuff in a dozen different stores at the same price), design, and ambiance. In other words, they weren&#039;t very interesting and they became very interchangable. I can understand a nostaglia for one&#039;s local mall, but the demise of malls is the demise of a format that ultimately made shopping a lot less interesting and ultimately has collapsed (to some extent) because of the narrow demographics and retail foci that have resulted from the way malls evolved. most of the surviving super regionsals will keep thriving and most have breadth enough to serve the functions that urban downtowns once did. OTOH, given the success of lifestyle centers, I suspect that many people lack the time or patience to walk half a mile from Sears to Penney&#039;s to make a purchase that&#039;s easier when you can park a shorrt distance away, and that seems to trump air conditioning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was obvious by the late 70s, that malls were becoming standardized in selection (the same stuff in a dozen different stores at the same price), design, and ambiance. In other words, they weren&#8217;t very interesting and they became very interchangable. I can understand a nostaglia for one&#8217;s local mall, but the demise of malls is the demise of a format that ultimately made shopping a lot less interesting and ultimately has collapsed (to some extent) because of the narrow demographics and retail foci that have resulted from the way malls evolved. most of the surviving super regionsals will keep thriving and most have breadth enough to serve the functions that urban downtowns once did. OTOH, given the success of lifestyle centers, I suspect that many people lack the time or patience to walk half a mile from Sears to Penney&#8217;s to make a purchase that&#8217;s easier when you can park a shorrt distance away, and that seems to trump air conditioning.</p>
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		<title>By: dbldbl</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbldbl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed pic #6, of the San Francisco Emporium... brought back great memories when I used to hang out at the store after school during the 90s. And the peeping of the glass esclator in the picture pays homage to the history of the art-deco design of it; it too has been restored and kept, along with the dome, within the Emporium side of the San Francisco Centre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed pic #6, of the San Francisco Emporium&#8230; brought back great memories when I used to hang out at the store after school during the 90s. And the peeping of the glass esclator in the picture pays homage to the history of the art-deco design of it; it too has been restored and kept, along with the dome, within the Emporium side of the San Francisco Centre.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt from WI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt from WI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 02:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the whole point though.

Basically the idea of the &#039;strip center / plaza&#039; has come full circle.  People have embraced them again.  There&#039;s some plaza-type malls built back in the 1950s-early 1960s that were on the brink of being completely vacant by the late 1990s, and now thanks to new businesses opening up in them....along with new anchors razing and rebuilding old anchor spaces, they&#039;re realizing a revival.  

Also strip centers and so-called &#039;lifestyle centers&#039; only look rather &#039;fake&#039; with their storefront design due to new codes that cities have put down.....basically a mall can&#039;t look like a &#039;mall&#039; anymore....the exteriors have to have (sometimes) very specific design elements, or else the project is rejected by the city.

While I&#039;m no fan of big box and strip retail developments, they do look more asthetically pleasing than the strip malls of old, which had a uniform design and looked rather &#039;cheap&#039;.  I give them that much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the whole point though.</p>
<p>Basically the idea of the &#8217;strip center / plaza&#8217; has come full circle.  People have embraced them again.  There&#8217;s some plaza-type malls built back in the 1950s-early 1960s that were on the brink of being completely vacant by the late 1990s, and now thanks to new businesses opening up in them&#8230;.along with new anchors razing and rebuilding old anchor spaces, they&#8217;re realizing a revival.  </p>
<p>Also strip centers and so-called &#8216;lifestyle centers&#8217; only look rather &#8216;fake&#8217; with their storefront design due to new codes that cities have put down&#8230;..basically a mall can&#8217;t look like a &#8216;mall&#8217; anymore&#8230;.the exteriors have to have (sometimes) very specific design elements, or else the project is rejected by the city.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m no fan of big box and strip retail developments, they do look more asthetically pleasing than the strip malls of old, which had a uniform design and looked rather &#8216;cheap&#8217;.  I give them that much.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonah Norason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonah Norason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right. But when will people realize this open-air technicolor world of Lifestyle Centers is nothing more than what the 50s shopping centers were...strip malls?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. But when will people realize this open-air technicolor world of Lifestyle Centers is nothing more than what the 50s shopping centers were&#8230;strip malls?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/retail-stores/merry-christmas-from-labelscar#comment-47892</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malls were unique in their being enclosed and climate controlled. The first generation had stores already familiar to people from 1950s shopping plazas and downtown areas. The stores had a much wider skew, in terms of price points than malls currently have and even malls in relatively upscale areas had many low end clothing &amp; shoe stores like Peterie, Richman Bros., Thom McAn, etc., chain drug stores and often a Woolworth. Department stores tended to have &quot;budget stores&quot;, descended from the downtown bargain basements. These low end chains mostly faded in the 80s and 90s and their replacements tended to be more upscale. At the same time, big boxes and off-price retailing grew and took alot of the middle class bargain hunters with them, changing people&#039;s shopping habits and taking them away from malls. Malls needed to reach a more affluent cleintele in order to survive, or have a bigger geographic reach (preferably both). Smaller malls and those in areas without much affluence (esp. if they had a lot of crime) have been the first to die, along with those cannibalized by newer nearby malls.

Mall design has been pretty uninspired from the beginning. By the mid-60s, major developers like DeBartolo were building very standardized malls. They might have a fountain and atrium in the middle, but basically, the rest of the mall was nothing special. The much loved Victor Gruen type malls were the exceptions, not the rule. The 1950s plazas that malls replaced were equally (if not more) uninspired, with a few exceptions.

As malls have died, it&#039;s become evident what white elephants they are, in terms of redevelopment. It&#039;s expensive to turn them into anything else and the mom &amp; pops don&#039;t do as well as they would in a place where someone can see them and park in front of them. Lifestyle centers are much more flexible in their construction and layout; a failing lifestyle center can more easily be changed into something else (e.g., an office park) and space can be reconfigured at less expense than with a mall. Demolishing a couple small buildings for a new big one is much easier than messing around with mall space.  Plus, the management doesn&#039;t have the expense of heating/cooling/maintaining interior common areas. The lifestyle center model can be used with upscale and very oridnary stores. The one near my old Atlanta neighborhood has very middle of the road anchors (Kroger, Target, B&amp;N, Lowe&#039;s) and a very run of the mill selection of stores. From a an investment standpoint, the lifestyle center makes more sense. At some point, the market will get saturated, but it may have more legs than the mall. There are still well-functioning 1950s shopping centers that have managed to successfully evolve over time, as long as they had decent demographics and location--that is essentially the lifestyle center prototype.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malls were unique in their being enclosed and climate controlled. The first generation had stores already familiar to people from 1950s shopping plazas and downtown areas. The stores had a much wider skew, in terms of price points than malls currently have and even malls in relatively upscale areas had many low end clothing &amp; shoe stores like Peterie, Richman Bros., Thom McAn, etc., chain drug stores and often a Woolworth. Department stores tended to have &#8220;budget stores&#8221;, descended from the downtown bargain basements. These low end chains mostly faded in the 80s and 90s and their replacements tended to be more upscale. At the same time, big boxes and off-price retailing grew and took alot of the middle class bargain hunters with them, changing people&#8217;s shopping habits and taking them away from malls. Malls needed to reach a more affluent cleintele in order to survive, or have a bigger geographic reach (preferably both). Smaller malls and those in areas without much affluence (esp. if they had a lot of crime) have been the first to die, along with those cannibalized by newer nearby malls.</p>
<p>Mall design has been pretty uninspired from the beginning. By the mid-60s, major developers like DeBartolo were building very standardized malls. They might have a fountain and atrium in the middle, but basically, the rest of the mall was nothing special. The much loved Victor Gruen type malls were the exceptions, not the rule. The 1950s plazas that malls replaced were equally (if not more) uninspired, with a few exceptions.</p>
<p>As malls have died, it&#8217;s become evident what white elephants they are, in terms of redevelopment. It&#8217;s expensive to turn them into anything else and the mom &amp; pops don&#8217;t do as well as they would in a place where someone can see them and park in front of them. Lifestyle centers are much more flexible in their construction and layout; a failing lifestyle center can more easily be changed into something else (e.g., an office park) and space can be reconfigured at less expense than with a mall. Demolishing a couple small buildings for a new big one is much easier than messing around with mall space.  Plus, the management doesn&#8217;t have the expense of heating/cooling/maintaining interior common areas. The lifestyle center model can be used with upscale and very oridnary stores. The one near my old Atlanta neighborhood has very middle of the road anchors (Kroger, Target, B&amp;N, Lowe&#8217;s) and a very run of the mill selection of stores. From a an investment standpoint, the lifestyle center makes more sense. At some point, the market will get saturated, but it may have more legs than the mall. There are still well-functioning 1950s shopping centers that have managed to successfully evolve over time, as long as they had decent demographics and location&#8211;that is essentially the lifestyle center prototype.</p>
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