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	<title>Comments on: Echelon Mall: Not in the Upper Echelon; Voorhees, New Jersey</title>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/new-jersey/echelon-mall#comment-127346</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I miss that old Echelon movie theater. I mean, it was just a small 4-screen theater, but I loved the smell of popcorn as you walked in (smaller theaters really carry that popcorn smell) and the fact that I saw so many movies there as a little kid in the late 70s/early 80s. 

The first movie I EVER remember seeing was Snow White, at the Echelon Mall theater, with pizza at Scotto beforehand. I saw The Muppet Movie there, too, and Pinocchio, and...oh, so many. And Star Trek IV as a young teenager.

I know they weren&#039;t keeping it open for nostalgic adults, and it&#039;s no slam on the Ritz, but I still miss that theater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I miss that old Echelon movie theater. I mean, it was just a small 4-screen theater, but I loved the smell of popcorn as you walked in (smaller theaters really carry that popcorn smell) and the fact that I saw so many movies there as a little kid in the late 70s/early 80s. </p>
<p>The first movie I EVER remember seeing was Snow White, at the Echelon Mall theater, with pizza at Scotto beforehand. I saw The Muppet Movie there, too, and Pinocchio, and&#8230;oh, so many. And Star Trek IV as a young teenager.</p>
<p>I know they weren&#8217;t keeping it open for nostalgic adults, and it&#8217;s no slam on the Ritz, but I still miss that theater.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/new-jersey/echelon-mall#comment-124416</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, I don&#039;t know how PREIT will make money on the mall.     

PREIT did originally want Wal-Mart, and Wal-Mart would pay for its construction and land, but the community opposed it.    The mall would pretty much still be dead though.

Nonetheless the market works in some way.   Voorhees, a more upscale town, gets upscale apartments, while Somerdale gets the discounter.   And the Echelon area being so close to PATCO makes some sense being residential.    And route 73 becomes the retail dominated area.

About Macy&#039;s and Boscovs; they are both in Deptford and Moorestown, and they&#039;d likely stick in Deptford as its a more valuable location, then Moorestown and then last Echelon.    Macy&#039;s is also in Cherry Hill and Burlington Ctr, so has coverage in every SJ mall except for Cumberland Mall in Vineland.    

On some level the dept. stores maybe ok, given that the mall might itself can fail but the dept. chains can sweep up the retail business.   (i.e. if you need to buy jeans, you don&#039;t meander in the mall anymore, just drive and park by Macy&#039;s, buy it and leave).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I don&#8217;t know how PREIT will make money on the mall.     </p>
<p>PREIT did originally want Wal-Mart, and Wal-Mart would pay for its construction and land, but the community opposed it.    The mall would pretty much still be dead though.</p>
<p>Nonetheless the market works in some way.   Voorhees, a more upscale town, gets upscale apartments, while Somerdale gets the discounter.   And the Echelon area being so close to PATCO makes some sense being residential.    And route 73 becomes the retail dominated area.</p>
<p>About Macy&#8217;s and Boscovs; they are both in Deptford and Moorestown, and they&#8217;d likely stick in Deptford as its a more valuable location, then Moorestown and then last Echelon.    Macy&#8217;s is also in Cherry Hill and Burlington Ctr, so has coverage in every SJ mall except for Cumberland Mall in Vineland.    </p>
<p>On some level the dept. stores maybe ok, given that the mall might itself can fail but the dept. chains can sweep up the retail business.   (i.e. if you need to buy jeans, you don&#8217;t meander in the mall anymore, just drive and park by Macy&#8217;s, buy it and leave).</p>
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		<title>By: James Wallace</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/new-jersey/echelon-mall#comment-120956</link>
		<dc:creator>James Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about that...I&#039;m afraid to go in and take a look.  However I must retain my statement regarding the lack of customers - however it&#039;s not KC&#039;s fault (glares at PREIT)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about that&#8230;I&#8217;m afraid to go in and take a look.  However I must retain my statement regarding the lack of customers &#8211; however it&#8217;s not KC&#8217;s fault (glares at PREIT)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AceJay</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/new-jersey/echelon-mall#comment-120954</link>
		<dc:creator>AceJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No arcades? Krazy City is there, right? That has a bunch of games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No arcades? Krazy City is there, right? That has a bunch of games.</p>
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		<title>By: James Wallace</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/new-jersey/echelon-mall#comment-120947</link>
		<dc:creator>James Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was able to take an afternoon off (with pay) last week and decided to take my favorite NJ Transit route: the 451 to Lindenwold, hoping to stop at Chic-fil-A at VTC on the way as I had skipped breakfast that day.  While walking through the mall I noticed that the pet store on the second level had finally shut down within the past six weeks, and there was another tenant next to it that vacated (oh Good Lord, I think that was the Kay Bee!).  Towards the Macy&#039;s end in the upper level, two more stores have closed, and I honestly don&#039;t know how the (seemingly lonely) Victoria Secret is surviving.

The Macy&#039;s department store was a ghost town, and their third floor was completely empty (supposedly the HR and manager&#039;s offices but Macy&#039;s has taken over the S&amp;C space for eighteen months and they haven&#039;t used all of the space yet).  The only small stores that seem to attract any decent business would be the Borders Express, Yankee Candle Co., and Hallmark.

PREIT should get down on their knees and thank God that Boscov&#039;s corporate offices are doing a favor and letting the Echelon Boscov&#039;s department store stay open - they&#039;re the only store in this mall that seems to be paying the bills and worth visiting and spending money; however if Boscov&#039;s so much as COUGHS then Echelon Mall is DONE.  Over with.

I can understand everyone&#039;s sentiments about the mall - heck, I&#039;m a new South Jersey resident who&#039;s main visits to a mall are the wretched Gallery at Market East (and it truly needs to die, but won&#039;t as there&#039;s way too much foot traffic to and from SEPTA&#039;s Market East Station, the Broad-Ridge Spur, El stops at 8th and 11th, and the PATCO) with a few visits to Franklin Mills and one journey to King of Prussia.  However, Echelon Mall/VTC just isn&#039;t the place that it used to be because it failed miserably in adjusting to changing times.  they updated the WRONG SIDE OF THE MALL in my opinion - from Somerdale Road they&#039;re no visible change at all.

Tenants are leaving left and right.  The restaurant that replaced the theatre is NOT catering to the number of customers needed to keep it running.  There are NO music stores, arcades or decent toy/hobby stores to draw the younger crowds in.  It&#039;s now reduced to a mere shell of it&#039;s former self. 

It&#039;s very interesting that PREIT is more focused on building apartments and condos that no one can afford rather than attracting new stores to replace the old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was able to take an afternoon off (with pay) last week and decided to take my favorite NJ Transit route: the 451 to Lindenwold, hoping to stop at Chic-fil-A at VTC on the way as I had skipped breakfast that day.  While walking through the mall I noticed that the pet store on the second level had finally shut down within the past six weeks, and there was another tenant next to it that vacated (oh Good Lord, I think that was the Kay Bee!).  Towards the Macy&#8217;s end in the upper level, two more stores have closed, and I honestly don&#8217;t know how the (seemingly lonely) Victoria Secret is surviving.</p>
<p>The Macy&#8217;s department store was a ghost town, and their third floor was completely empty (supposedly the HR and manager&#8217;s offices but Macy&#8217;s has taken over the S&amp;C space for eighteen months and they haven&#8217;t used all of the space yet).  The only small stores that seem to attract any decent business would be the Borders Express, Yankee Candle Co., and Hallmark.</p>
<p>PREIT should get down on their knees and thank God that Boscov&#8217;s corporate offices are doing a favor and letting the Echelon Boscov&#8217;s department store stay open &#8211; they&#8217;re the only store in this mall that seems to be paying the bills and worth visiting and spending money; however if Boscov&#8217;s so much as COUGHS then Echelon Mall is DONE.  Over with.</p>
<p>I can understand everyone&#8217;s sentiments about the mall &#8211; heck, I&#8217;m a new South Jersey resident who&#8217;s main visits to a mall are the wretched Gallery at Market East (and it truly needs to die, but won&#8217;t as there&#8217;s way too much foot traffic to and from SEPTA&#8217;s Market East Station, the Broad-Ridge Spur, El stops at 8th and 11th, and the PATCO) with a few visits to Franklin Mills and one journey to King of Prussia.  However, Echelon Mall/VTC just isn&#8217;t the place that it used to be because it failed miserably in adjusting to changing times.  they updated the WRONG SIDE OF THE MALL in my opinion &#8211; from Somerdale Road they&#8217;re no visible change at all.</p>
<p>Tenants are leaving left and right.  The restaurant that replaced the theatre is NOT catering to the number of customers needed to keep it running.  There are NO music stores, arcades or decent toy/hobby stores to draw the younger crowds in.  It&#8217;s now reduced to a mere shell of it&#8217;s former self. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s very interesting that PREIT is more focused on building apartments and condos that no one can afford rather than attracting new stores to replace the old.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/new-jersey/echelon-mall#comment-118267</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Arbitare apartments are amongst the nicest (and most expensive rent) in Camden/Burlington county.    I suppose PREIT can lure desirable renters on that its Voorhees (good schools,etc.) and near Ashland station for folks who need to get into Center City easily.

However, the retail in VTC sucks, and is pretty much Macy&#039;s, Boscov&#039;s and a foodcourt and some random few stores remaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Arbitare apartments are amongst the nicest (and most expensive rent) in Camden/Burlington county.    I suppose PREIT can lure desirable renters on that its Voorhees (good schools,etc.) and near Ashland station for folks who need to get into Center City easily.</p>
<p>However, the retail in VTC sucks, and is pretty much Macy&#8217;s, Boscov&#8217;s and a foodcourt and some random few stores remaining.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/new-jersey/echelon-mall#comment-112031</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Echelon Mall was the best I am so sad its all washed up now but it is still my favoritie mall. On the website there are more sotres that say leasing oppurtunites than actual stores!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echelon Mall was the best I am so sad its all washed up now but it is still my favoritie mall. On the website there are more sotres that say leasing oppurtunites than actual stores!</p>
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		<title>By: James Wallace</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/new-jersey/echelon-mall#comment-110116</link>
		<dc:creator>James Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve only moved to Sicklerville NJ with my family back in 1999 and have experienced the mall a few months later.  I remember only walking down the northeastern hallway ONCE and ONLY once towards Sears and barely glimpsing at the JC Penney before going back towards the &quot;main&quot; area (between Strawbridge &amp; Clothier/Boscov&#039;s).  To me there was nothing interesting to see or purchase and I cared little when Sears and JC Penney closed.  I do remember riding NJ Transit bus route 459 and wondering &quot;why the heck is there a gigantic parking lot when there are so few stores open?&quot;

I ride the NJ Transit bus 403 every day and back when CVS, a dollar store and McDonald&#039;s were all placed within 500 feet of each other it was a great convenience to a poor late-teen in need of picking up supplies, going to GameStop (groan) and then eating a burger before jumping on the bus for the fifty-minute ride.  The first sign of things going wrong was that the Disney Store became a mere shadow, Kay Bee Toy &amp; Hobby was desperate for customers, the Dollar Store had closed it&#039;s doors, and to my horror - no more CVS!  Where was I supposed to pick up the latest PC World or Electronic Gaming Monthly along with my toothpaste or pine sol?  With no CVS I couldn&#039;t pick up my school supplies for my classes at nearby Camden County College.  There was little incentive to shop at the mall anymore for what I needed.

Fast forward to Summer 2009.  I have a well-paying job, am still single, and have some extra money to spend.  Where&#039;s the best place to spend my time?  For electronics it&#039;s East Gate Plaza&#039;s Best Buy.  For video games it&#039;s a small mom-and-pop store in Turnersville (as the GameStop in VTC is staffed with rude, obnoxious people who are too friendly with race-profiling security guards).  I don&#039;t even want to go there for books as the Borders Express is too small, and the food court (while more varied than Cherry Hill&#039;s) is too &quot;open&quot;, with no privacy while eating.  Thanks to the Apple Store, a larger Radio Shack and Borders, I have no problem traveling to Westmont and then jump on a route 450 to Cherry Hill every month.  The shopping there is more varied, attractive, and well...there&#039;s actual LIFE. 

*Just last month I visited Boscov&#039;s for new clothes for the office and when I stepped on the escalator to head down to the food court. The security officer riding the escalator in front of me kept looking over her shoulder at a African-American wearing a shirt and tie, wearing glasses and holding a large Boscov&#039;s bag and his iPod.  After the fourth time I was so angry I retorted &quot;Yes, I actually BOUGHT something&quot;, wherein she finally stopped and walked away.

I think I&#039;m beginning to see where VTC is headed.  I can certainly understand the pressures that the owners are under to produce revenue and for the adjacent neighbors in Echelon Glen, the Lakeside Retirement Community, The Village At Voorhees and Voorhees Township wanting to keep the riff-raff out and the property values up, but I draw the line at lack of variety, racism and downright coldness of the atmosphere.  Add to the fact that I&#039;m looking for my first bachelor pad - VTC&#039;s new condos are starting at $1,345.00 per month.  Yeah...

Why should I give my money to place that has deteriorated to a point where the only place that I want to go is Chic-fil-A?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve only moved to Sicklerville NJ with my family back in 1999 and have experienced the mall a few months later.  I remember only walking down the northeastern hallway ONCE and ONLY once towards Sears and barely glimpsing at the JC Penney before going back towards the &#8220;main&#8221; area (between Strawbridge &#038; Clothier/Boscov&#8217;s).  To me there was nothing interesting to see or purchase and I cared little when Sears and JC Penney closed.  I do remember riding NJ Transit bus route 459 and wondering &#8220;why the heck is there a gigantic parking lot when there are so few stores open?&#8221;</p>
<p>I ride the NJ Transit bus 403 every day and back when CVS, a dollar store and McDonald&#8217;s were all placed within 500 feet of each other it was a great convenience to a poor late-teen in need of picking up supplies, going to GameStop (groan) and then eating a burger before jumping on the bus for the fifty-minute ride.  The first sign of things going wrong was that the Disney Store became a mere shadow, Kay Bee Toy &#038; Hobby was desperate for customers, the Dollar Store had closed it&#8217;s doors, and to my horror &#8211; no more CVS!  Where was I supposed to pick up the latest PC World or Electronic Gaming Monthly along with my toothpaste or pine sol?  With no CVS I couldn&#8217;t pick up my school supplies for my classes at nearby Camden County College.  There was little incentive to shop at the mall anymore for what I needed.</p>
<p>Fast forward to Summer 2009.  I have a well-paying job, am still single, and have some extra money to spend.  Where&#8217;s the best place to spend my time?  For electronics it&#8217;s East Gate Plaza&#8217;s Best Buy.  For video games it&#8217;s a small mom-and-pop store in Turnersville (as the GameStop in VTC is staffed with rude, obnoxious people who are too friendly with race-profiling security guards).  I don&#8217;t even want to go there for books as the Borders Express is too small, and the food court (while more varied than Cherry Hill&#8217;s) is too &#8220;open&#8221;, with no privacy while eating.  Thanks to the Apple Store, a larger Radio Shack and Borders, I have no problem traveling to Westmont and then jump on a route 450 to Cherry Hill every month.  The shopping there is more varied, attractive, and well&#8230;there&#8217;s actual LIFE. </p>
<p>*Just last month I visited Boscov&#8217;s for new clothes for the office and when I stepped on the escalator to head down to the food court. The security officer riding the escalator in front of me kept looking over her shoulder at a African-American wearing a shirt and tie, wearing glasses and holding a large Boscov&#8217;s bag and his iPod.  After the fourth time I was so angry I retorted &#8220;Yes, I actually BOUGHT something&#8221;, wherein she finally stopped and walked away.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m beginning to see where VTC is headed.  I can certainly understand the pressures that the owners are under to produce revenue and for the adjacent neighbors in Echelon Glen, the Lakeside Retirement Community, The Village At Voorhees and Voorhees Township wanting to keep the riff-raff out and the property values up, but I draw the line at lack of variety, racism and downright coldness of the atmosphere.  Add to the fact that I&#8217;m looking for my first bachelor pad &#8211; VTC&#8217;s new condos are starting at $1,345.00 per month.  Yeah&#8230;</p>
<p>Why should I give my money to place that has deteriorated to a point where the only place that I want to go is Chic-fil-A?</p>
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		<title>By: Harlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 01:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really brings back memories thinking about the mall. I used to go there all the tie in the mid to late 80&#039;s and that place was always packed. I can visualize the 4 theater General Cinema. That was a great place to go especially if you were not old enough to drive but lived near a stop on the PATCO. I remember many nights coming out of the theater and having to walk around the closed mall to get back to the train. I never really liked the food court because the seating area was narrow and when it was crowded with shoppers you could barely hear the person you were sitting with. I remember the old arcade that was where I had later seen a Scotto pizza and the model shop that was next to it.I have been gone from the area for 15 years so I am sad but not surprised to hear about the malls trouble. Thanks to all who posted up their memories. When I started reading the posts I could not help but thinking of being 14 years old leaving the mall with my best friend after seeing John Carpenter&#039;s Prince of Darkness and having to walk around the closed mall (11 pm show). I don&#039;t think I have ever looked over my shoulder so many times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really brings back memories thinking about the mall. I used to go there all the tie in the mid to late 80&#8217;s and that place was always packed. I can visualize the 4 theater General Cinema. That was a great place to go especially if you were not old enough to drive but lived near a stop on the PATCO. I remember many nights coming out of the theater and having to walk around the closed mall to get back to the train. I never really liked the food court because the seating area was narrow and when it was crowded with shoppers you could barely hear the person you were sitting with. I remember the old arcade that was where I had later seen a Scotto pizza and the model shop that was next to it.I have been gone from the area for 15 years so I am sad but not surprised to hear about the malls trouble. Thanks to all who posted up their memories. When I started reading the posts I could not help but thinking of being 14 years old leaving the mall with my best friend after seeing John Carpenter&#8217;s Prince of Darkness and having to walk around the closed mall (11 pm show). I don&#8217;t think I have ever looked over my shoulder so many times.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/new-jersey/echelon-mall#comment-92322</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is hard for me to believe that at one time that I, along with a few others, thought this mall was better than Deptford Mall. Boy how times change. I think the &quot;mall death&quot; began circa 2000-01 with the closings of JC Penney and Sears. The popularity of online shopping made things even worse for the mall (along with other American malls).  During the 1980s and 1990s, Echelon Mall had a huge flow of customers but now it is a shell of what it used to be. The place doesn&#039;t even have &quot;mallrats&quot; anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hard for me to believe that at one time that I, along with a few others, thought this mall was better than Deptford Mall. Boy how times change. I think the &#8220;mall death&#8221; began circa 2000-01 with the closings of JC Penney and Sears. The popularity of online shopping made things even worse for the mall (along with other American malls).  During the 1980s and 1990s, Echelon Mall had a huge flow of customers but now it is a shell of what it used to be. The place doesn&#8217;t even have &#8220;mallrats&#8221; anymore.</p>
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