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	<title>Comments on: Bannister Mall; Kansas City, Missouri</title>
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		<title>By: Amourdutigre</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/missouri/bannister-mall#comment-158972</link>
		<dc:creator>Amourdutigre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember Bannister when it opened, and for a good 13 years or so, it was the cat&#039;s meow. It once was a well maintained, safe and fun place to spend time and money. What killed Bannister (and it no longer exists, it was razed) were two main things.

First, there was a largely unknown commercial/retail real-estate bubble in the mid eighties to early nineties that drove such properties up to astronomical values. Bannister was sold numerous times to ever higher bidders, and was horribly over &quot;leveraged&quot; (a favorite 1980&#039; yuppie term). The owners not only demanded a huge rent, but a cut of gross income as well. 

Second, there was a demographic and transportation issue as well. That bastion of housing fairness (sarcasm intended) known as HUD bought large numbers of old, small footage houses in the area. I mean HUGE numbers of houses. This lowered the value of properties in the area, as well as lowered the mean income. In other words, the neighborhood went to hell. Next, the transportation issue involved the ATA (Kansas city Area Transportation Authority) started running buses from the bad areas in town to the mall. Thus, the criminal element would take the bus to Banister to shoplift, then steal a car and go home. It was terrible.

It became unsafe to go to Bannister mall. It was un kept, dirty, and stunk like moldy basements. The ceiling was falling in many areas, and all of the decorative lighting had been replaced with those horrible blue/white glaring flourescent montrosities that the greenie people love so much. All of the remaing live plants on the inside were replaced with cheap looking (and filthy) plastic plants. And the only stores left before it closed were things like &quot;buy your hot car stereo gear here&quot; and &quot;genuine fake gold chains&quot;.

It was a real shame, actually. What started out as a very nice, suburban mall in the course of a decade and a half became an urban slum hangout for those with neferious intent (theft, drug deals, and the like). I remember when the mall opened... I was fourteen and my little brother was 12. We were invited on the opening day to put our hand prints with all of the other kids into a patch of wet cement on the East side of the mall near one of the anchors. Before they tore the place down, I went there and took a picture of our hand prints.

Indeed, believe it or not, it was a cool, safe place for kids to hang out in during its heyday.

ADT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember Bannister when it opened, and for a good 13 years or so, it was the cat&#8217;s meow. It once was a well maintained, safe and fun place to spend time and money. What killed Bannister (and it no longer exists, it was razed) were two main things.</p>
<p>First, there was a largely unknown commercial/retail real-estate bubble in the mid eighties to early nineties that drove such properties up to astronomical values. Bannister was sold numerous times to ever higher bidders, and was horribly over &#8220;leveraged&#8221; (a favorite 1980&#8242; yuppie term). The owners not only demanded a huge rent, but a cut of gross income as well. </p>
<p>Second, there was a demographic and transportation issue as well. That bastion of housing fairness (sarcasm intended) known as HUD bought large numbers of old, small footage houses in the area. I mean HUGE numbers of houses. This lowered the value of properties in the area, as well as lowered the mean income. In other words, the neighborhood went to hell. Next, the transportation issue involved the ATA (Kansas city Area Transportation Authority) started running buses from the bad areas in town to the mall. Thus, the criminal element would take the bus to Banister to shoplift, then steal a car and go home. It was terrible.</p>
<p>It became unsafe to go to Bannister mall. It was un kept, dirty, and stunk like moldy basements. The ceiling was falling in many areas, and all of the decorative lighting had been replaced with those horrible blue/white glaring flourescent montrosities that the greenie people love so much. All of the remaing live plants on the inside were replaced with cheap looking (and filthy) plastic plants. And the only stores left before it closed were things like &#8220;buy your hot car stereo gear here&#8221; and &#8220;genuine fake gold chains&#8221;.</p>
<p>It was a real shame, actually. What started out as a very nice, suburban mall in the course of a decade and a half became an urban slum hangout for those with neferious intent (theft, drug deals, and the like). I remember when the mall opened&#8230; I was fourteen and my little brother was 12. We were invited on the opening day to put our hand prints with all of the other kids into a patch of wet cement on the East side of the mall near one of the anchors. Before they tore the place down, I went there and took a picture of our hand prints.</p>
<p>Indeed, believe it or not, it was a cool, safe place for kids to hang out in during its heyday.</p>
<p>ADT</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/missouri/bannister-mall#comment-134351</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GregW, 
GregW – 

would you &amp; your family, little sisters, brothers etc…
continue to shop in an area where shooting, robbery, assault, theft, run rampant?

THAT IS WHY decent people of all races stopped going there. Period!

I grew up in the area &amp; witnessed it first hand.
It wasn’t only white flight, many of us black folk left too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GregW,<br />
GregW – </p>
<p>would you &amp; your family, little sisters, brothers etc…<br />
continue to shop in an area where shooting, robbery, assault, theft, run rampant?</p>
<p>THAT IS WHY decent people of all races stopped going there. Period!</p>
<p>I grew up in the area &amp; witnessed it first hand.<br />
It wasn’t only white flight, many of us black folk left too.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby P.</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/missouri/bannister-mall#comment-133228</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@daniel fife, 1.  There was no Toys R Us nearby, just a Kids R Us, and 2. Crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@daniel fife, 1.  There was no Toys R Us nearby, just a Kids R Us, and 2. Crime.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel fife</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/missouri/bannister-mall#comment-133132</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel fife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what killed this mall too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what killed this mall too?</p>
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		<title>By: daniel fife</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/missouri/bannister-mall#comment-133131</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel fife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what happened to Toys r us and what does hte Toys r us look like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what happened to Toys r us and what does hte Toys r us look like?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Bales</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/missouri/bannister-mall#comment-130983</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Bales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked at the BM V Cinemas when they opened. I would love to locate the projectionist or the manager, Mr. Z to find out if they still have a copy of the movie we made. The movie was called &quot;Z- movie&quot; and it was about working at the cinema. If anyone worked there in 1980 and remembers this let me know.   ---aaron
abales1@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked at the BM V Cinemas when they opened. I would love to locate the projectionist or the manager, Mr. Z to find out if they still have a copy of the movie we made. The movie was called &#8220;Z- movie&#8221; and it was about working at the cinema. If anyone worked there in 1980 and remembers this let me know.   &#8212;aaron<br />
<a href="mailto:abales1@hotmail.com">abales1@hotmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: GregW</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/missouri/bannister-mall#comment-127023</link>
		<dc:creator>GregW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in Johnson County (Prairie Village) in the 70s and 80s, and I&#039;ve been in Denver, CO for over 15 years.  I live in central Denver, right off one of the busiest bus lines in the country (the #15 Colfax bus).  We have some crime, but not enough to scare people off.  We have trouble with the public schools, but there is viable shopping downtown.

There are areas with crime issues.  But I&#039;ve never heard the bus lines blamed, and it just doesn&#039;t seem as bad as in KC.  KC, last I checked, does have more concentrated poverty than Denver.  Is it white fear of black presence that scares people off?  We have a large Hispanic population here, but I don&#039;t see the scale of problems I hear about from KC.  Are the Anglos in Denver more accepting than the whites in KC?  Has KC just never recovered from the desegregation and white flight that spurred the suburban sprawl into Johnson County?

If this area is to thrive again, SOMEONE needs to figure out what can be done to restore EVERYBODY&#039;S trust that they will neither be crime victims nor victims of overzealous police action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in Johnson County (Prairie Village) in the 70s and 80s, and I&#8217;ve been in Denver, CO for over 15 years.  I live in central Denver, right off one of the busiest bus lines in the country (the #15 Colfax bus).  We have some crime, but not enough to scare people off.  We have trouble with the public schools, but there is viable shopping downtown.</p>
<p>There are areas with crime issues.  But I&#8217;ve never heard the bus lines blamed, and it just doesn&#8217;t seem as bad as in KC.  KC, last I checked, does have more concentrated poverty than Denver.  Is it white fear of black presence that scares people off?  We have a large Hispanic population here, but I don&#8217;t see the scale of problems I hear about from KC.  Are the Anglos in Denver more accepting than the whites in KC?  Has KC just never recovered from the desegregation and white flight that spurred the suburban sprawl into Johnson County?</p>
<p>If this area is to thrive again, SOMEONE needs to figure out what can be done to restore EVERYBODY&#8217;S trust that they will neither be crime victims nor victims of overzealous police action.</p>
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		<title>By: Coachb</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/missouri/bannister-mall#comment-125960</link>
		<dc:creator>Coachb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They won&#039;t use Community America because it is a minor league baseball stadium with only 5000 permanent seats. The MLS needs around 15-20,000 for a team to remain viable long term. The Wizards are losing money right now. A new stadium is needed. The influx of hispanic residents to our area could have made the new Bannister complex (The Trails) amazingly successful. However, yet again the area was instead used as a pawn in a large scale game...who knows what our fate is now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They won&#8217;t use Community America because it is a minor league baseball stadium with only 5000 permanent seats. The MLS needs around 15-20,000 for a team to remain viable long term. The Wizards are losing money right now. A new stadium is needed. The influx of hispanic residents to our area could have made the new Bannister complex (The Trails) amazingly successful. However, yet again the area was instead used as a pawn in a large scale game&#8230;who knows what our fate is now.</p>
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		<title>By: Coachb</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/missouri/bannister-mall#comment-123084</link>
		<dc:creator>Coachb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobby, do you live in the area? Do you understand what a Wizards stadium/competition soccer fields/mixed use retail would have done for the area? Just because you don&#039;t LIKE soccer doesn&#039;t mean the district and area didn&#039;t need the $50 million a year they would have gotten off the use of it. The mall is gone--literally it&#039;s gone now--and all that remains around it is closed up strip shops and restaurants---get over it and get behind whatever we can bring to this area. Otherwise there won&#039;t be an area to save.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby, do you live in the area? Do you understand what a Wizards stadium/competition soccer fields/mixed use retail would have done for the area? Just because you don&#8217;t LIKE soccer doesn&#8217;t mean the district and area didn&#8217;t need the $50 million a year they would have gotten off the use of it. The mall is gone&#8211;literally it&#8217;s gone now&#8211;and all that remains around it is closed up strip shops and restaurants&#8212;get over it and get behind whatever we can bring to this area. Otherwise there won&#8217;t be an area to save.</p>
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		<title>By: Coachb</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/missouri/bannister-mall#comment-123082</link>
		<dc:creator>Coachb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This wasn&#039;t a small mall--it was huge. It also had the advantage of being built to be added on to, which in the end didn&#039;t save it, because it was dying due to urban blight. It is at the intersection of three major highways and should have been saved, but KC is a majorly racist community and can&#039;t stand much racial mixing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This wasn&#8217;t a small mall&#8211;it was huge. It also had the advantage of being built to be added on to, which in the end didn&#8217;t save it, because it was dying due to urban blight. It is at the intersection of three major highways and should have been saved, but KC is a majorly racist community and can&#8217;t stand much racial mixing.</p>
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