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		<title>By: kdk</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/illinois/lincoln-mall-matteson#comment-161344</link>
		<dc:creator>kdk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 06:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Allan, 

Allan,
Noticed your question about Kroch&#039;s and Brentano&#039;s.  Yes, it actually was inside Lincoln Mall, next to the Carson&#039;s store.  Kroch&#039;s was in all the major Chicago area malls and would always just locate inside next door to one of the more upscale anchors.  As a matter of fact, I recognize the Kids for Less store in one of the above photos actually used to be Kroch&#039;s and Brentano&#039;s- I recognize the brick, and ever since they closed the tenants have not remodeled.  I also remember they had stores at River Oaks and Orland both right next to the Marshall Field&#039;s stores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Allan, </p>
<p>Allan,<br />
Noticed your question about Kroch&#8217;s and Brentano&#8217;s.  Yes, it actually was inside Lincoln Mall, next to the Carson&#8217;s store.  Kroch&#8217;s was in all the major Chicago area malls and would always just locate inside next door to one of the more upscale anchors.  As a matter of fact, I recognize the Kids for Less store in one of the above photos actually used to be Kroch&#8217;s and Brentano&#8217;s- I recognize the brick, and ever since they closed the tenants have not remodeled.  I also remember they had stores at River Oaks and Orland both right next to the Marshall Field&#8217;s stores.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/illinois/lincoln-mall-matteson#comment-161173</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is quite a comprehensive article here. I am very familiar with lincoln mall and what you are saying is very true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite a comprehensive article here. I am very familiar with lincoln mall and what you are saying is very true.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/illinois/lincoln-mall-matteson#comment-150749</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pam,  Well said!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pam,  Well said!</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/illinois/lincoln-mall-matteson#comment-150401</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason, people seem to think everyone in the southern suburbs has a low income, and little education.  Sure, there are poor areas, but Olympia Fields where I live is a wealthy area in addition to Flossmoor, and many parts of Homewood and Matteson with plenty of people who are professionals, solidly middle and upper-middle class who shop at Nordstrom. Hey retailers -  many residents have graduate degrees and have incomes in excess of $100-200K. Go figure! Because our area is very ethnically diverse, for some reason retailers assume that the area would not support higher-end retail stores. I wrote to the owner of Lincoln Mall who point blank told me that they have trouble attracting retailers because of the demographics, and that even Kohls doesn&#039;t feel those living in the area are their &quot;client base&quot;.  Kohls is fine, but when in the hell did they become Saks Fith Avenue?  Really frustrating. Nothing against it, but I don&#039;t seek out &quot;urban apparel&quot; stores b/c I&#039;m Black. Try finding a nice Ralph Lauren polo. &quot;Nice&quot; clothing does not simply mean &quot;Sean Jean&quot;. Nice generalization retailers! Such narrow-mindedness. I&#039;m just glad JC Penney and Target is doing well, but I&#039;d much rather spend my money closer to home on higher quality, higher end clothing than traveling to Orland, Oak Brook, Woodfield, or downtown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason, people seem to think everyone in the southern suburbs has a low income, and little education.  Sure, there are poor areas, but Olympia Fields where I live is a wealthy area in addition to Flossmoor, and many parts of Homewood and Matteson with plenty of people who are professionals, solidly middle and upper-middle class who shop at Nordstrom. Hey retailers &#8211;  many residents have graduate degrees and have incomes in excess of $100-200K. Go figure! Because our area is very ethnically diverse, for some reason retailers assume that the area would not support higher-end retail stores. I wrote to the owner of Lincoln Mall who point blank told me that they have trouble attracting retailers because of the demographics, and that even Kohls doesn&#8217;t feel those living in the area are their &#8220;client base&#8221;.  Kohls is fine, but when in the hell did they become Saks Fith Avenue?  Really frustrating. Nothing against it, but I don&#8217;t seek out &#8220;urban apparel&#8221; stores b/c I&#8217;m Black. Try finding a nice Ralph Lauren polo. &#8220;Nice&#8221; clothing does not simply mean &#8220;Sean Jean&#8221;. Nice generalization retailers! Such narrow-mindedness. I&#8217;m just glad JC Penney and Target is doing well, but I&#8217;d much rather spend my money closer to home on higher quality, higher end clothing than traveling to Orland, Oak Brook, Woodfield, or downtown.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/illinois/lincoln-mall-matteson#comment-150096</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me say this is one excellent &amp; very comprehensive article you&#039;ve written on the exploits of Lincoln Mall!  My family frequented there every Holiday Season for shopping and Santa from 1976 to 1985 when my sister &amp; me were kids back in its auspicious heyday.  I personally loved the Lincoln Carsons compared to Evergreen Plaza&#039;s for its better sights, levels, &amp; displays.  Also, call me crazy but I always enjoyed the trip down I-57 to Matteson (coming from the Chicago Wrightwood neighborhood)....used to love following the final 3-mile stretch of power lines that still adorn the east side of the expressway (starting at 183rd St) and lead all the way towards US 30 :)

Feeling nostalgic, I actually took an impromptu trip to Lincoln Mall yesterday after periodically reading last year about the alleged retailer difficulties they&#039;ve been facing internally and from the Matteson village hall.  I came out of it with mixed feelings.....sure there&#039;s plenty of vacant store space to be had and not much of the chaotic bustle the Mall saw in earlier decades, but the interior decor doesn&#039;t look too shoddy and can be ameliorated by simple refurbishing and a food annex upgrade (say on par with Ford City&#039;s).  Of course these ideas will be contingent upon Matteson village officials and the present mall owners coming to their own mutual resolutions, but consider me guilty for having a Charlie Brown heart for the now lost little mall that nobody wants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me say this is one excellent &amp; very comprehensive article you&#8217;ve written on the exploits of Lincoln Mall!  My family frequented there every Holiday Season for shopping and Santa from 1976 to 1985 when my sister &amp; me were kids back in its auspicious heyday.  I personally loved the Lincoln Carsons compared to Evergreen Plaza&#8217;s for its better sights, levels, &amp; displays.  Also, call me crazy but I always enjoyed the trip down I-57 to Matteson (coming from the Chicago Wrightwood neighborhood)&#8230;.used to love following the final 3-mile stretch of power lines that still adorn the east side of the expressway (starting at 183rd St) and lead all the way towards US 30 <img src='http://www.labelscar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Feeling nostalgic, I actually took an impromptu trip to Lincoln Mall yesterday after periodically reading last year about the alleged retailer difficulties they&#8217;ve been facing internally and from the Matteson village hall.  I came out of it with mixed feelings&#8230;..sure there&#8217;s plenty of vacant store space to be had and not much of the chaotic bustle the Mall saw in earlier decades, but the interior decor doesn&#8217;t look too shoddy and can be ameliorated by simple refurbishing and a food annex upgrade (say on par with Ford City&#8217;s).  Of course these ideas will be contingent upon Matteson village officials and the present mall owners coming to their own mutual resolutions, but consider me guilty for having a Charlie Brown heart for the now lost little mall that nobody wants.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Allan, Eastland would be real easy. It&#039;s my local mall and I usualy don&#039;t see any security. I did get pictures of St Clair square, another CBL mall. Security was much tighter there, requiring more of a commando style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Allan, Eastland would be real easy. It&#8217;s my local mall and I usualy don&#8217;t see any security. I did get pictures of St Clair square, another CBL mall. Security was much tighter there, requiring more of a commando style.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/illinois/lincoln-mall-matteson#comment-144093</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Prange Way, I wish of the malls I can think of with outright photography bans, that some of them could revise the rule to the one Genesee Valley has. Although I was surprised on one of my last visits in 2007 to Eastland Mall in Bloomington, IL before I stopped attending school, I looked at the list of rules(Eastland is owned by CBL, just for the record), and I was shocked in those rules that they did NOT have one reference to photography! So, least it means there is hope for some malls out there.

I&#039;ve noticed it&#039;s very damn easy to get away with photography at certain malls, such as the very huge ones like Woodfield. However, some are security-heavy, such as Simon-owned malls. (hoping I can find some way to overcome this, as some of my future photography goals include some Simon malls) Simon mall guards seem to use Segways in their malls, but not sure about CBL, but do want to know since my future goals include shooting in some of their malls(i.e. Regency in Racine, Ford City in Chicago, and of course Eastland in Bloomington).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Prange Way, I wish of the malls I can think of with outright photography bans, that some of them could revise the rule to the one Genesee Valley has. Although I was surprised on one of my last visits in 2007 to Eastland Mall in Bloomington, IL before I stopped attending school, I looked at the list of rules(Eastland is owned by CBL, just for the record), and I was shocked in those rules that they did NOT have one reference to photography! So, least it means there is hope for some malls out there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed it&#8217;s very damn easy to get away with photography at certain malls, such as the very huge ones like Woodfield. However, some are security-heavy, such as Simon-owned malls. (hoping I can find some way to overcome this, as some of my future photography goals include some Simon malls) Simon mall guards seem to use Segways in their malls, but not sure about CBL, but do want to know since my future goals include shooting in some of their malls(i.e. Regency in Racine, Ford City in Chicago, and of course Eastland in Bloomington).</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/illinois/lincoln-mall-matteson#comment-143619</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Allan, not to also mention catch up on mall photography I&#039;m behind on uploading to my flickr account! Just be warned I tend to be a bad procrastinator on getting such photography uploaded, but it&#039;ll happen very soon. My account there is prfsnlwannabe, and if you&#039;ve ever visited the flickr Labelscar group, I uploaded a few pics in the past to that group. Be on the lookout for my pics I took during the Golf Mill 2006-07 GGP renovation(both indoor and outdoor) I&#039;ll soon be uploading to the group!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Allan, not to also mention catch up on mall photography I&#8217;m behind on uploading to my flickr account! Just be warned I tend to be a bad procrastinator on getting such photography uploaded, but it&#8217;ll happen very soon. My account there is prfsnlwannabe, and if you&#8217;ve ever visited the flickr Labelscar group, I uploaded a few pics in the past to that group. Be on the lookout for my pics I took during the Golf Mill 2006-07 GGP renovation(both indoor and outdoor) I&#8217;ll soon be uploading to the group!</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
		<link>http://www.labelscar.com/illinois/lincoln-mall-matteson#comment-143616</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Russ, You&#039;re right that some won&#039;t go to stores tucked away in malls, but there are still many that do like the convenience of indoor shopping(and don&#039;t underestimate this), especially in harsh Midwest winters! I know I&#039;d be very irritable, if the only shopping centers that existed were outdoor ones(a la Old Orchard, Oak Brook, and River Oaks pre-&#039;94), and the newish trend of annoying lifestyle centers(hate lifestyle centers greatly, and still to this day am not wild about the ones that replaced both Brickyard Mall in Chicago, and College Hills Mall in Normal, IL).

Back to Lincoln Mall, very interesting to see Kroch&#039;s &amp; Brentano&#039;s was at this mall. Was it inside the mall(a la Waldenbooks or B. Dalton), or in an anchor space with an outdoor entrance? And were they ever in any other Chicago area malls?

Well, need to get cooking on some more mall photography I&#039;ve long wanted to do, and trips to malls I&#039;ve yet to visit. From the experiences of others, is photographing in depressed malls tougher to do(and when security targets and gives the best scare to anyone in the act they witness) than in thriving malls? I was considering doing a photography trip to Marquette Mall in Michigan City a little bit down the 2010 road, that&#039;s why I&#039;d like to know if what I&#039;ve occasionally heard is a typical rule of thumb when it comes to indoor mall photography.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Russ, You&#8217;re right that some won&#8217;t go to stores tucked away in malls, but there are still many that do like the convenience of indoor shopping(and don&#8217;t underestimate this), especially in harsh Midwest winters! I know I&#8217;d be very irritable, if the only shopping centers that existed were outdoor ones(a la Old Orchard, Oak Brook, and River Oaks pre-&#8217;94), and the newish trend of annoying lifestyle centers(hate lifestyle centers greatly, and still to this day am not wild about the ones that replaced both Brickyard Mall in Chicago, and College Hills Mall in Normal, IL).</p>
<p>Back to Lincoln Mall, very interesting to see Kroch&#8217;s &amp; Brentano&#8217;s was at this mall. Was it inside the mall(a la Waldenbooks or B. Dalton), or in an anchor space with an outdoor entrance? And were they ever in any other Chicago area malls?</p>
<p>Well, need to get cooking on some more mall photography I&#8217;ve long wanted to do, and trips to malls I&#8217;ve yet to visit. From the experiences of others, is photographing in depressed malls tougher to do(and when security targets and gives the best scare to anyone in the act they witness) than in thriving malls? I was considering doing a photography trip to Marquette Mall in Michigan City a little bit down the 2010 road, that&#8217;s why I&#8217;d like to know if what I&#8217;ve occasionally heard is a typical rule of thumb when it comes to indoor mall photography.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also grew up with Lincoln Mall - I had a lot of fond memories of the Aladdin&#039;s Castle predecessor, LeMans Speedway. It had LOTS of pinball machines, and a bumper car track in the back. My folks would go shopping, and I&#039;d make a beeline for the Speedway - or to Kroch&#039;s &amp; Brentano&#039;s at the other end of the mall.

Eventually, the track got ripped out, and then Aladdin&#039;s took over. Pinball gave way to video over the years, but didn&#039;t disappear completely. Then the mall got its 1992 redo, and the first thing I noticed was that the arcade was gone.

When the McDonald&#039;s closed (it had been open since the mall was built), I knew it was doomed for sure. I&#039;ve been back a few times over the years, and it&#039;s hardly a shadow of what it once was.

If I had to guess, if it doesn&#039;t become the next Dixie Square, what&#039;s left of it will end up being turned inside out in the manner of Orland Corners. It seems that only a lucky few enclosed malls have a chance these days, and I suspect the issue is visibility. People are in a hurry, and they will more likely visit a store that can be seen from the road than one tucked away in a mall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also grew up with Lincoln Mall &#8211; I had a lot of fond memories of the Aladdin&#8217;s Castle predecessor, LeMans Speedway. It had LOTS of pinball machines, and a bumper car track in the back. My folks would go shopping, and I&#8217;d make a beeline for the Speedway &#8211; or to Kroch&#8217;s &#038; Brentano&#8217;s at the other end of the mall.</p>
<p>Eventually, the track got ripped out, and then Aladdin&#8217;s took over. Pinball gave way to video over the years, but didn&#8217;t disappear completely. Then the mall got its 1992 redo, and the first thing I noticed was that the arcade was gone.</p>
<p>When the McDonald&#8217;s closed (it had been open since the mall was built), I knew it was doomed for sure. I&#8217;ve been back a few times over the years, and it&#8217;s hardly a shadow of what it once was.</p>
<p>If I had to guess, if it doesn&#8217;t become the next Dixie Square, what&#8217;s left of it will end up being turned inside out in the manner of Orland Corners. It seems that only a lucky few enclosed malls have a chance these days, and I suspect the issue is visibility. People are in a hurry, and they will more likely visit a store that can be seen from the road than one tucked away in a mall.</p>
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